Our Camino Tales series continues as we sit down with our pilgrim friend Diarmuid O'Reiley to discuss some of our shared adventures together on the Camino de Santiago. Along the way Diarmuid shares a bit of his faith journey, the Lord's Prayer in Gaelic, as well as some political thoughts including an Irish perspective on America's fascination with Donald Trump. My son Gabriel who walked our 2015 with Diarmuid also joins us in the interview.
Go Beyond the Pale with Diarmuid O'Reilly!
1:10- (Intro) Steve in Covid quarantine
8:57 - Conversation begins & Guinness is opened
10:40- Talking Camino De Santiago
22:05- The Lord’s Prayer in Gaelic
23:01- Going from Catholic to Charismatic
32:31- An Irish perspective on Donald Trump
44:20- When the truth loses it’s currency
49:32- Reminiscing Camino times with Diarmuid
50:35- Taking Communion on the Camino de Santiago
1:01:01: Pilgrim friends on the Camino
Keith Giles returns to Beyond the Pale to discuss his new book Jesus Unforsaken in which he argues the real Good News of Jesus has been replaced in much of today's church with a toxic message originating with John Calvin in the 1500s. Keith explains why its crucial to return to the historic Christ-centered view of the cross that sets people free from sin and unveils a God of love who would rather die than live without us.
Go Beyond the Pale with Keith Giles!
1:34- Intro with Steve
5:02- Conversation with Keith begins
8:06- Catching up with Keith since our last podcast together
12:53- What is "atonement" and why it's important
22:21- "To realise God is NOT a monster"
32:12- Alisa Childers and "progressive Christians"
33:56- Discussing a recent history of Christian "boogymen"
37:37- Labels and how followers of Jesus might identify themselves
42:26- Peace Catalyst podcast and building bridges with the Muslim community
52:45- How to choose the path that leads to peace with others
South China Morning Post and RTHK Radio 3 movie critic James Marsh sits down with Steve for their annual Academy Awards predictions. Along the way we discuss the the nominees in the major categories, who we think WILL win vs. who SHOULD win, and why Brian Cox played a better Hannibal Lector than Anthony Hopkins.
Go Beyond the Pale with James Marsh!
1:13- Steve’s Intro
4:28- Interview begins / Small Talk
10:14- Best Actress in a Supporting Role
21:02- Best Actor in a Supporting Role
31:05- Best Actress in a Leading Role
38:10- Best Actor in a Lead Role
41:44 - (Tangent) Anthony Hopkins vs. Brian Cox as Hannibal Lector
46:44 - Best Actor discussion resumes
54:28- Best Director
1:10:39 - Best Picture
On today's episode Steve sits down with two of his good friends who are nominal Trump voters to help better understand why Christians seem fascinated with conspiracy theories and why they tend to fuel them rather than extinguish them. Along the way we discuss Donald Trump, the Epoch Times, and how Christians can be conditioned into toxic patterns.
2:17- Intro with Steve
12:16- Was Portland destroyed by Black Lives Matter?
14:10- What does the "main stream media" report on?
21:35- What's on the horizon in "conspiracy land"?
33:24- Refusing a peaceful transfer of power brings violence
41:38- The trusty Epoch Times?
51:50- The habit to defend our Christian "tribe"
55:24- Why Christians struggle to believe Biden can do good
1:05:40- What we think about God matters
David Morgan joins us to discuss University of Chicago Political Science professor Eric Oliver's new book "Enchanted America: How Intuition & Reason Divide Our Politics". Along the way David helps explain why many Americans are increasingly embracing bizarre conspiracy theories in an attempt to make sense of a complicated and changing world.
Go Beyond the Pale with David Morgan!
1:25- Intro with Steve
7:07- Conversation with David begins
9:40- Why Americans are not divided by ideology but by thinking styles
17:00- Why the brain creates mental shortcuts to explain the world
28:28- Can you be a rationalist & believe in the Bible?
34:44- How people respond when they feel judged
47:30- Fragile masculinity leads to even more bizarre behaviour
57:28- Conspiracy theories are a reaction to fear
Filmmakers David & Kathi Peters sit down with Steve & Tammy to discuss their new documentary Postcards from Babylon which takes aim at the growing Christian Nationalism within American Evangelicalism. Along the way they share about the impact of Donald Trump on the church, filming Brian & Peri Zahnd while on the Camino de Santiago, and the film's timely message of the Hope still to be found in embracing the Way Jesus proclaimed.
Go Beyond the Pale with David & Kathi Peters!
1:38 - Intro with Steve & Tammy
10:35 - Conversation with David & Kathi begins
11:06- Growing up in the centre of Evangelical Christianity
20:29 - “In my house you couldn’t be a Christian and a Democrat”
31:12 - The “Postcards from Babylon” documentary
34:46 - Filming with Brian & Peri Zahnd on the Camino de Santiago
45:01- Tammy shares how the film moved her to tears
50:16- Filming Walter Brueggemann
54:55- Postcards from Babylon reminds the viewer there is hope
Pilgrim Bruce Ayling sits down with Steve to chat about their 2015 journey on the Camino de Santiago. Along the way Bruce shares how his pilgrimage in Spain helped him to understand his Christian faith in a deeper way.
Go Beyond the Pale with Bruce Ayling!
1:40- Intro with Steve & Tammy
7:40- Conversation with Bruce begins
13:33- Learning to see God as a Father
26:44 - Doing the Camino in segments
30:33- Highlight of Bruce's Camino de Santiago
40:04- Future "bucket list" pilgrimages
Author Paul Ellis returns to talk about his new book "The Silent Queen" and why the church needs women to find their voice. Along the way Paul shares historically how we got to this place of sanctioned gender discrimination in the church and what God's original plan was and can still be.
Go Beyond the Pale with Paul Ellis
1:14 - Intro with Steve & Tammy
10:30 - Discussion with Paul begins
15:45 - Background to "The Silent Queen"
24:20- How Aristotle and Plato's sexist ideas infected the early church
27:25 - We think we're not sexist, but we are
38:15 - Tammy explains why women remain silent in the church
48:30 Paul explains why we can often support sex discrimination in the church wrongly believing it's God's plan
On today's episode Steve has a conversation an old friend, Steve Bowens, on issues surrounding race issues in America and specifically the Black Lives Matter movement Along the way Steve, who is an African-American educator from Colorado, also shares how his Christian faith has shaped him not only in his approach to race relations but in all areas of his life's journey.
Go Beyond the Pale with Steve Bowens
1:35 - Intro with Steve & Tammy
12:24 - Conversation with Steve Bowens begins
18:35 - Steve shares his Christian faith journey
27:10 - When the church gets partisan
35:24 - Discussing Black Lives Matter
50:00 - Positive ways forward in race relations
Dave Griffiths and Rob Grayson return to Beyond the Pale to discuss what a healthy deconstruction and eventual reconstruction in faith might look like. Along the way we discuss Creeds, politics, racism, gender inequality, and why Christianity seems the one area where its OK to NOT grow up!
Get Ready to Go Beyond the Pale with Rob Grayson & Dave Griffiths!
1:20- Introduction with Steve & Tammy
5:25- Conversation begins
12:05- Race & Gender in 2020
14:46- Defining modernity and “post”- modernity
22:59- Do Creeds create a static world view?
33:45- Detaching our faith from politics
45:38- Is what you believe proven by how you live?
1:02:00- When Christians learn to grow up
My brother Andrew returns during a hot elections season to talk about the two subjects you aren't suppose to talk about in polite conversation; politics and religion.
Along the way we discuss abortion, nationalism, and spell Trump holds over many American Christians.
Get Ready To Go Beyond The Pale with Andrew Hackman!
Steve was interviewed on Hong Kong's Radio 3 "Morning Brew" show to discuss his 1,100 mile Via Francigena pilgrimage and the upcoming memoir chronicling the journey!
Actor Jason Tobin who stars in the hit TV show Warrior sits down with Steve & Tammy to share his acting journey; the highs, the lows, the frustrations, the lucky breaks, and the perseverance that helped get him to where he is now.
Along the way Jason shares what it was like to grow up in Hong Kong, the power of a teacher to inspire, his love of Story, and even our mutual desire to see Hong Kong's airport renamed Bruce Lee International.
Go Beyond the Pale with Jason Tobin!
8:14: Conversation with Jason begins
8:36- Stories from the set of the TV series Warrior
26:40: The Bruce Lee connection to Warrior
28:18: Working with The Fast & The Furious director Justin Lin
32:29: Growing up in Hong Kong
34:12- The power of an inspiring teacher
39:12- Moving to Los Angeles at 18
44:00- Starting at the bottom: Being an "Extra"
52:52- When your dreams imprison you
54:30- Love of martial arts
1:00:50- Becoming a filmmaker
1:12:13- Jason's belief in the power of story
Long time friend Kit Tso shares a meal with Steve & Tammy and with the help of a little Scotch and Irish whiskey discuss faith, humanity, God, and the advantages of bringing "reason" into one's spiritual journey.
Along the way Kit shares some funny anecdotes of riding a motorcycle from London to Belfast!
Go Beyond the Pale with Kit Tso!
3:40 Conversation with Kit starts
11:32 Driving a motorcycle to Belfast
25:04 What do we really believe?
38:46 Processing Faith
43:00 Circular or linear spiritual path?
53:00 Applying reason in faith
1:00:20 Connecting faith to real life
Gary Brightman is a Hong Kong based writer and filmmaker who shares his story of turning some of the dreams into realities. Dreams like moving to Hong Kong, attending film school, making documentaries, and finally opening Vibe, the coolest used book and vinyl record store in the city.
Go Beyond the Pale with Gary Brightman!
1:33- (Intro) Steve & Tammy discuss staycation in Hong Kong
8:28- Conversation with Gary Brightman begins
15:00- Gary is “bit” by the Hong Kong bug
19:42- Paying the bills vs. following your dream
21:08 - Going to film school
28:56- Opening a book and music store
31:02- “Vibe” as a community space
Vernon Pitout is an entrepreneur and business coach who has been a friend of Steve & Tammy for many years. On today's episode they reminisce on their spiritual journeys, discuss the pros and cons of leaders with a vision, and explore some of the challenges the church faces in the 21st century.
Go Beyond the Pale with Vernon Pitout!
1:30- (Intro) Steve & Tammy reminisce over the church they started 25 years ago as well as how to deal with the crazy of a polarised world. 21:24- Conversation with Vernon begins
24:48- Doing Good in Church but questions arise
35:38- Thoughts on Worship
43:16- God deals with everyone individually
50:53- Understanding real Freedom
1:04:04- The Pros and Cons of Visionary Leadership
Lori Marty has had a long journey. Growing up in a Pentecostal home she went on to become a missionary to Pakistan and eventually a Vice President at Word Entertainment, one of the largest Christian music companies in the world. However it was these experiences, along with others she shares that forced her to seriously re-examine her faith. In the process she traded her "certainty" in for "ambiguity" and has become much happier and content in the process.
Go Beyond the Pale with Lori Marty!
1:50- (Intro) Tammy discusses dealing with depression and mood
17:57- Conversation with Lori begins
19:18- Decluttering house
25:28- Evangelicalism: Weird…but Safe
29:14- How Lori inspired Steve to become a missionary
32:49- Experimenting with Calvinism
39:51- Positive Church community
47:23- Being taught not to trust non-Christian “experts”
50:50- Loving family who love Trump
56:52- Being a Vice President at Word Music
59:54- Why working with Christians can make you question Christianity
Kevin Miller is a screenwriter and filmmaker whose works encompass a number of documentaries including "Expelled" with Ben Stein and the film "Hellbound" which examined various Christian perspectives on the notions of hell. On today’s episode Kevin shares with Steve & Tammy about his faith Journey as well as his newly released documentary J.E.S.U.S.A which examines the roots of Christianity's age old alliance with nationalism, violence , and Empire.
Go Beyond the Pale with Kevin Miller!
1:42- (Intro with Steve & Tammy)
10:23- Kevin shares his faith journey background
20:47- How Kevin got into filmmaking
28:26- “Hellbound” and what’s the point of the Gospel with no hell
36:17- Kevin’s new film J.E.S.U.S.A. reminds Steve why he is still a Christian
47:23- Christian non-violence and the problems it presents
1:01:54 - Christianity’s entanglement with Empire from Constantine to America
Alia Eyres holds a Juris Doctorate from the Georgetown University Law Centre and a Bachelor of Arts in International Affairs from the George Washington University, where she was also a member of the NCAA Division 1 Women’s Rowing Team. She shares with Steve & Tammy her journey that led her out of the world of corporate law to become the director of Mother's Choice, a Hong Kong based charity bringing hope and new stories to vulnerable teenage mothers and families across the city.
Along the way Alia shares about the racism she encountered growing up as a “mixed race” child, how kindness and hospitality were instilled in her by her parents, as well as how her faith in Christ has sustained her through life’s challenges.
Go Beyond the Pale with Alia Eyres!
:35 (Intro) Steve & Tammy discuss the effects of the COVID-19 virus
15:27- Conversation with Alia Eyres begins
21:51- Mother’s Choice
23:17- Coming from a mixed race, faith, culture family
30:02- Learning Hospitality, Generosity, and Kindness from a young age
40:45- Leaving law to lead Mother’s Choice
47:57- Alia learns that God is better than she ever thought possible
Sara Morano is a world traveller and ultra marathoner who just happened to run into Steve on the 1,100 mile Via Francigena pilgrimage from Canterbury to Rome. Sara shares her journey on the ancient pilgrimage as well as the stories of reaching the top of the Alps with Steve.
Along the way she shares about training as an ultra marathoner!
Go Beyond the Pale with Sara Morano
1:11 - (Intro) Steve & Tammy discuss the Via Francigena, the Coronavirus, and spiritual deconstruction
26:29- Conversation with Sara begins
29:29- Running the Comrades Marathon in South Africa
37:06- Making room reservations on the Via Francigena
42:25- Sara reaches the top of the Alps with Steve
54:05- Miracles on the Via Francigena
South China Morning Post and RTHK film critic James Marsh sits down with Steve for our annual Oscar predictions show. That's right we take a short break from our usual show format questioning Life, the Universe, and Everything (whose answer we all know is "42") to discuss the best films and performances of 2019. James will give his predictions on who will be taking home the gold at the 2020 Academy Awards as well as some thoughts on those that got snubbed along the way.
Go Beyond the Pale with James Marsh!
5:06- Predict Best Supporting Actor
Tom Hanks, "A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood"
Anthony Hopkins, "The Two Popes"
Al Pacino, "The Irishman"
Joe Pesci, "The Irishman"
Brad Pitt, "Once Upon a Time...in Hollywood"
20:06 Predict Best Supporting Actress
Kathy Bates, "Richard Jewell"
Laura Dern, "Marriage Story"
Scarlett Johansson, "Jojo Rabbit"
Florence Pugh, "Little Women"
Margot Robbie, "Bombshell"
36:34- Predict Best Actress
Cynthia Erivo, "Harriet"
Scarlett Johansson, "Marriage Story"
Saoirse Ronan, "Little Women"
Renée Zellweger, "Judy"
Charlize Theron, "Bombshell"
44:02- Predict Best Actor
Antonio Banderas, "Pain and Glory"
Leonardo DiCaprio, "Once Upon a Time...in Hollywood"
Adam Driver, "Marriage Story"
Joaquin Phoenix, "Joker"
Jonathan Pryce, "The Two Popes"
59:24- Predict Best Director
Martin Scorsese, "The Irishman"
Quentin Tarantino, "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood"
Bong Joon-ho, "Parasite"
Sam Mendes, "1917"
Todd Phillips, "Joker"
1:17:21- Predict Best Picture
"Ford v Ferrari"
"Once Upon a Time...in Hollywood"
We start 2020 unplugged! Thats right, no guest, no interview...just Steve & Tammy talking about what they are hoping to do holistically, fiscally, and all around emotionally for the new year...and the new decade! Along the way we discuss minimalism, healthy eating, and yes, even Tiny Houses!
Go Beyond the Pale in 2020 with Steve & Tammy!
In this special holiday bonus episode of Beyond the Pale Steve journeys to the land of Israel and interviews some of his International travel companions about highlight experiences from their time in the Holy Land.
Go Beyond the Pale in Israel!
00:17- Steve (USA)
6:46- Danny (Israel)
15:01- Ryan (UK)
19:30- Christina (UK)
25:19- Georgina (New Zealand)
27: 58- Kaze (Hong Kong)
In this episode we catch up with Ojo Taylor, formerly of the Christian punk band Undercover. Join us as we discuss pretty much everything from sin and ethics, to whether America can still be the bulwark of stability it has been in the past. Along the way Ojo questions whether Christians should be promoting a God that requires a blood sacrifice in order to forgive....and other hot button topics.
Go Beyond the Pale with Ojo Taylor!
1:13- “(Intro) Steve & Tammy discuss how to love people radically even when its hard
21:47- Talk with Ojo Taylor begins
22:22- When your country goes off the rails
32:28- How Ojo’s friends have reacted to his “de-conversion”
37:06- Evolving beyond the “Volcano god”
40:01- Should we fear or embrace “secularisation?”
53: 30- Ethics & Sin
1:07:19- Some hope for America
1:16:32- When Christian musicians lose their prophetic voice
Educator and Bible teacher Jonathan Mellen shares how adversity has shaped his attitude and approach to life. Along the way he shares his story of being a "missionary kid" whose Christian faith now continues to grow in ways he hadn't expected
Go Beyond the Pale with Jonathan Mellen!
1:03- (Intro) Steve & Tammy discuss Rob Bell, why Jesus wants to save Christians, and how to see the whole human race as family
21:10- Conversation with Jonathan begins
24:28- How Jonathan first came to Hong Kong
43:04 - How our faith matures
47:20 - Authenticity in Christianity
50:01 - Suffering and Glory
58:56- What is the church for?