Steve & Tammy podcast from Hoi An Vietnam on where their faith journey has gone recently and how they are increasingly looking to living in "the now". When we spend our energy looking to the horizon we can overlook they people, needs, and even opportunities that are right in front of us.
Get ready to go Beyond the Pale with Steve & Tammy in Vietnam!
4:46- Greetings from Vietnam
9:18- How our journey has changed and "living in the now"
14:55- Tammy shares on learning to judge others (and herself) less
24:20- Being freed from appeasing the "monster" God
Award winning author Paul Ellis talks to Steve & Tammy about his new book A.D. 70. Unlike the anxiety produced by many books on prophecy and the fear of being "left behind", AD 70 offers a hopeful and "good news" alternative to the "last days." Drawing on an in-depth study of the scripture alongside forgotten lessons from history Paul reinterprets the dark tales of vengeance and judgement through the lens of grace.
Get ready to go Beyond the Pale with Paul Ellis
4:42 - (intro) Talking pilgrimage walks with Paul
10:24- Paul explains why the year AD 70 was so important
17:41- Why a Grace author writes a book on the "End Times"
22:34- Talking the Rapture and the Return of Christ
32:08- The "wrath" of God probably ain't what you think.
Paul Ellis has impacted and inspired tens of thousands across the world with the message of God's unconditional love for them through his award winning books as well as his Escape to Reality blog. On today's episode Paul shares with Steve & Tammy the journey he has walked and the insights into God and Life he has learned along the way.
Get ready to go Beyond the Pale with Paul Ellis!
4:50- (Intro) Walking across Europe & Tammy’s new dogs
8:17- Paul’s early life
12:50- Paul’s story arriving in Hong Kong
15:44- From university professor to pastor
19:47- Introduced to Grace
28:54- Why Christians mix Jesus & The Law
40:11- Escape to Reality
47:00- Why some Christians struggle with a God without conditions
Tre Cates shares how he initially became involved with, and then went on to be the Chief Operations officer for, the Savory Institute; a group that is literally saving the planet! Tre then explains how the holistic management and regenerative practices he has seen implemented through the Savory Institute has helped him understand how those same practices could be applied in business and work environments around the globe.
Get ready to go Beyond the Pale with Tre Cates!
2:10 (into) Tammy talks about a new love of philosophy and asking questions
12:50- How Tre got involved with the Savory Institute and and what they do there
30:36- How a system seeking short term benefits have brought long term consequences
39:22- How a "regenerative" system needs to replace an "industrial" system
51:19- Unleashing the full potential of people
Steve sits down with Tre Cates to talk about the journey he has been on for the last twenty years. Tre has gone from being church planter to a successful entrepreneur of a tech company, and ultimately to becoming Chief Operating officer for the Savory Institute, which, if you are NOT one of the over 4 million people who have watched Allan Savory’s 2013 TED Talk, the Savory Institute is an organisation, that is saving the planet….literally!
Tre has traveled to 6 continents and worked in 35 different countries for the Savory Institute consulting with organisations and government officials on applying regenerative holistic practices to land management that is making Earth that had been reduced to desert- green and arable again.
Tre sat down with me to share the journey of how he got to where he is now, as well as how the regenerative applications and practices they are learning to apply to the Earth can be applied to churches, businesses, governments and humanity as a whole….pretty much wherever 2 or more are gathered….well, you get the point Get ready to go Beyond the Pale with Tre Cates.
2:40 (Intro) Tammy shares about how the family used Steve’s trip away to sneak two new puppies into the house
18:56: Tre shares his passion of seeing people’s lives transformed into who they were created to be
20:33: Tre questions “the system” from early on
27:50: Why church models are not sustainable
29:26: Embracing a decentralised “non-event” based community
42:42: Tre shares how his journey led him to ask “What was I put here for and how can I fulfill that purpose”
46:19 “Beautiful examples of creation in it’s complexity”
48:52: “We can have community, we can have real impact, we can serve people and you don’t need an organisation to do that”
Steve & Tammy continue their talk with Brian Zahnd as they unpack his new book "Sinners in the Hands of a Loving God." Brian shares with us pilgrims why Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross was NOT a payment to God and how thinking it is has been skewing Christians view of the Father for years.
From there we move to chatting about hell and while Jesus did speak a fair bit about hell, Brian suggests what he was referring to was not an after life torture chamber but rather the consequences (aka, the hell) we unleash on ourselves and the world around us when we fail to walk in the Way of Love Christ came to demonstrate
We wrap our time with Brian as he shares a bit on what the Book of Revelation is really trying to tell us…and it wasn’t what we were told in church growing up
Get ready to go beyond the pale with Brian Zahnd
2:10 (Intro) Tammy shares how fear had crept into her faith
16:50 What if Jesus spoke to the U.S. Congress?
24:16 Was Jesus’ death a payment to God for our sins?
29:44 What is Hell?
31:50 “If you can’t preach the gospel without mentioning heaven or hell, you can’t preach the gospel”
41:36 What the Book of Revelation is trying to tell us
Brian Zahnd returns to Beyond the Pale to discuss his new book "Sinners in the Hands of a Loving God". As one of the leading voices in the church today Brian takes aim at Christian's endorsement of fear, violence, and nationalism reminding us that our God looks like Jesus and ONLY Jesus. Get ready to go Beyond the Pale with Brian Zahnd.
2:06 (Intro) Steve & Tammy discuss the effect “fear” theology has had on their faith
14:48 Brian shares an update from their Camino pilgrimage in Spain a year out
28:54 How the Jesus Movement generation became the political “Christian Right”
34:00 Brian shares how he “woke up” into a new understanding in Christ
39:20 How the “fear” theology of Jack Chick cartoon tracts still impact the evangelical church today
41:45 When Christians see Jesus not as a teacher but simply a cog in God’s atonement process
We continue our discussion with Rebekah Pine and hear more of her journey as a young Christian living in Egypt and Jordan. Now a wife and mother of three young children Rebekah goes on to explain how her work in the Middle-East isn't over as she returns to Jordan to work with refugees fleeing the Syrian civil war.
1:57 (Intro) Steve & Tammy discuss “The Shack”
13:19 Rebekah shares what it was like being a Christian with a Muslim roommate
26:24 Life as a Syrian refugee in Jordan today
39:57 Having the support of family and church to return to Jordan
43:42 Rebekah shares some last thoughts and hope for the refugee situation in the middle-east
Rebekah Pine shares her journey of being a student of Middle East studies living in Egypt and Jordan and how years later, now a wife and mother of three children, feels a draw by God to return to Jordan to help alleviate the suffering of refugees fleeing from the Syrian civil war. Along the way Rebekah shares how her own faith was enriched and deepened as she navigated a Muslim world.
2:30- (Intro) Steve & Tammy muse about Shakespeare
17:19- Rebekah shares how she first got interested in the Middle East
22:57- Moving to Egypt
26:10- Encountering the Muslim faith for the first time
42:10 - Having a humility in our understanding of God
43:14- Dialogue with Muslim friends
47:24- Rebekah shares anecdotes of being a female Hong Kong Chinese in the Middle East
50:52- Moving to Jordan
Part two of our talk with journalist and science writer Nury Vittachi continues to explore the tension between faith and science. Along the way Nury shares about the power of forgiveness as well as some of the positive attributes faith in general, and Christianity specifically, bring to the world around us.
1:33 (Intro) Steve and Tammy discuss cynicism towards Christianity and their own struggles at times with it
10:39 Nury shares how his interest in science first began
13:00 Creating a space beyond “Atheist vs. Theist”
27:58 Why young people are leaving church
35:39 Christianity and why its what's on the inside that counts
Journalist, author, and science writer Nury Vittachi joins Steve & Tammy to discuss the faith / science divide and shares with them how he navigates between those two worlds. Along the way Nury shares some childhood memories with famed author Arthur C. Clarke, whether the universe is indeed "conscience", and explains how the building blocks for reality is made up of ideas.
Join us as we travel Beyond the Pale with Nury Vittachi!
1:54- Intro Steve and Tammy discuss a Facebook post on “worship”
16:38- Nury shares his background
19:50- “Materialist” vs. Quantum Physics
23:28- Can science be “mystical”?
34:40- Asimov, Sagan, and religion
37:01- Nury shares personal stories with Arthur C. Clarke
47:42- The moment God did “something”
This week we continue our talk with long time youth pastor Rich Kifer. Rich shares some of the wisdom he has learned, sometimes the hard way, as his spiritual journey has taken a number of twists and turns through the years. Along the way we discuss some of the litmus tests Christians tend to judge orthodox purity, the state of Christian and faith based movies, as well as advice Rich has for young people who feel they have a “call to ministry”
Get ready to go Beyond the Pale with Rich Kifer
1:31 Intro- Steve & Tammy discuss Chinese Sichuan food and American politics
19:58- Discussing “Christian Movies”
29:36- Rethinking “salvation”
33:41- Turning “Good News” into “Terrible News”
40:51- Why do we “obey” Christ?
1:03:54- Advice for young people going into ministry
Long time youth pastor Rich Kifer has seen a lot of changes in Christianity during his years of ministry. In today's episode Rich shares with Steve his journey which has caused him to reevaluate some aspects of his belief that has ultimately led to a better life and a better faith Journey with us Beyond the Pale with Rich Kifer
1:45- Steve & Tammy discuss Robe Bell's new book "What is the Bible"?
12:40- Rich shares how "not" knowing is ok
22:14- Rock and Roll ain't Christian
31:19- Why the next generation is apathetic to faith
43:39- Running a Christian Halloween "Haunted House"
52:28- Anger at what the church is doing to the next generation
Sceptic David Young, who has been a friend to this podcast and frequent guest, tragically passed away this past April after a months long battle with ALS. Steve had the opportunity for a final conversation with David at his home, sitting on his balcony, covering a range of topics including politics, movies, living life with a terminal illness, and why he refuses to give potential employers his CV. Journey with us as we pilgrimage Beyond the Pale one last time with David Young. Enjoy!
For many Americans, nationalism and patriotism are as much a part of their Christianity as any teaching of Christ. But does God see America as "exceptional" in the same way Americans do? Which flag do we really fly higher? When does our allegiance to earthly countries put us at odds with God's Country. Former pastor Giles Parker explores these questions with Steve & Tammy on this weeks episode.
13:14- Road to Emmaus
24:25- Erasing Boundaries
27:00- "I love America...but..."
36:21- Using Jesus for political agendas
51:20- Who is in God's Kingdom?
Giles Parker returns to the show to help us wrestle with the tension of reconciling belief with experiences. What happens when they don't line up? Have we replaced critical thinking with learning to handle and dismiss the ideas we don't want to entertain? Join us with Giles as we head out Beyond the Pale.
In Part 2 of our discussion with C. Allen Ries, Allen discusses the idea of Biblical inerrancy and how Christians may be better equipped viewing the Bible through a more progressive lens. Along the way Allen shares how he has replaced "knowing" with "seeking" and how we would all be better off learning to view others through the eyes of God
9:45- Examining Biblical inerrancy
20:46- Allen shares why he still believes in God
24:06- "Seeking" vs "Knowing"
27:12- Are Christian Creeds exclusive?
33:45- Seeing others through the "Imago Dei" (Image of God)
C. Allen Ries is a Christian music minister who shares his story coming to terms with a sexual orientation at odds with the faith he grew up with. Allen's initial struggles as well as the peace he ultimately finds is sure to be an inspiration for you on your journey. Along the way Allen also shares how as a "white guy" he found himself working primarily in African - American churches.
9:58- Allen & Steve share their shared church history
13:03- "White guy" in a "Black church"
23:12- First cracks in the "belief" wall emerge
28:26- A painful divorce leads to more questions
31:30- "wrestling" with sexual orientation
36:04- Allen finds peace with God and himself
Filmmaker Mitch Birks & resident Beyond the Pale "Geek Corespondent" Martin Daniel join Steve to discuss and review the new film Wonder Woman. Along the way they detour into the recent X-Men movie Logan before they explore the themes of God, religion, ice cream, and existential crisis found in Wonder Woman.
Part 2 of our conversation with Cornel and Rensia Marais. Hear them share what it is like to test their belief system and question the very premises they had arranged their lives around.
12:35- Experiencing rejection when you question
20:51- Taking a "break" from God
29:25- A faith healer questions faith healing
43:36- Renisa shares her journey into doubt and discovery
Former "grace preacher" Cornel Marais along with his wife Rensia share with Steve & Tammy their journey into Christian ministry...and back out again. With both honesty and humour Cornel & Rensia share their ups and downs as they attempt to figure out God, church, and life...
9:40- Church 3 times a week???
14:06- Faith Healing Days
26:34- In the Grace Camp
31:04- "Entering the Rabbit Hole"
37:15- Pagan Christianity?
40:47- Closing the ministry
A second live update from Spain as Steve & Tammy journey on the 500 mile pilgrimage, the Camino de Santiago!
Steve & Tammy give a short update of their month long pilgrimage across Spain on the Camino de Santiago. Included is their exhausting first day as well as catching up with some Camino friends from Ireland that leads to an outdoor Irish sing-a-long.
Steve continues his interview with Ojo Taylor from the punk band Undercover. Along the way they explore more of Ojo's experiences coming out of the Christian faith while navigating the legacy of having been a voice and catalyst for people's faith within Christianity.
17:05- Fans discover Ojo has left the faith
22:20- Applying reason and logic to life
32:46- Is everyone who loves born of God?
47:26- Ojo on "belief systems"
Ojo Taylor, bassist, keyboardist, and vocalist for the renown Christian punk band "Undercover" shares with Steve the journey he has travelled from being a voice within Christianity to the chance encounter that forced him to question, and ultimately abandon, his faith. Along the way Steve suggests he has, perhaps, become more "Christ-like" in the process.
10:15- A Catholic Childhood
18:47- "Undercover" begins
28:47- More Christian as an "Atheist"?
30:00- Christian "tribalism"
49:02- The encounter that changed everything