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Beyond The Pale

Beyond the Pale is a subversively thoughtful exploration of God, faith, life and culture hosted by former pastors and missionaries Steve & Tammy Hackman. It's a podcast for that person who finds more fulfilment in the journey than in the destination and doesn't mind coloring outside the lines a bit! Join us each week as we travel on pilgrimage together. We'll ask questions, question answers, and open a bottle of wine with you as we do. (Not a particularly good wine mind you, just one Tammy says we can afford)
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Beyond the Pale is a subversively funny exploration of God, faith, church, and culture hosted by former pastors and missionaries Steve & Tammy Hackman. It's a podcast for that person who wants to know God but sometimes wonders why their favorite moment of a Sunday service is when it's finally over. Join us each week as we journey on pilgrimmage together. We'll ask questions, question answers, and open a bottle of wine with you as we do. (Not a particularly good wine mind you, just one Tammy says we can afford)

Nov 5, 2019

Author, teacher, and monastery preacher Brad Jersak joins us to discuss his new book and how Christianity can recapture a more "Christ-like" identity. Along the way Brad shares his own journey and the struggles that have shaped his understanding that God is always loving and on our side.


Go Beyond the Pale with Brad Jersak!

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1:05 - (Intro) Steve and Tammy discuss faith, weight loss, and the Rugby World Cup

18:08- Brad Jersak shares his story

28:19- Bad atonement theory is not the Gospel

36:49- Brad’s dark night of the soul

43:07- Learning from people rather than “targeting” them

46:34- Discussing Brad’s new book “A More Christ-like Way”

48:47- “Christians” vs. “Christ-followers”

57:08- Brad shares with Tammy some steps to help her develop a contemplative faith without jettisoning the Holy Spirit

1:06:17 Brad contemplates walking the Camino de Santiago

1:07:22- A more Christ-like Way is inclusive