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Beyond The Pale

Beyond the Pale is a subversively thoughtful exploration of God, faith, life and culture hosted by former pastors and missionaries Steve & Tammy Hackman. It's a podcast for that person who finds more fulfilment in the journey than in the destination and doesn't mind coloring outside the lines a bit! Join us each week as we travel on pilgrimage together. We'll ask questions, question answers, and open a bottle of wine with you as we do. (Not a particularly good wine mind you, just one Tammy says we can afford)
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Beyond the Pale is a subversively funny exploration of God, faith, church, and culture hosted by former pastors and missionaries Steve & Tammy Hackman. It's a podcast for that person who wants to know God but sometimes wonders why their favorite moment of a Sunday service is when it's finally over. Join us each week as we journey on pilgrimmage together. We'll ask questions, question answers, and open a bottle of wine with you as we do. (Not a particularly good wine mind you, just one Tammy says we can afford)

Feb 1, 2022

Brian Zahnd returns to Beyond the Pale to discuss his new book When Everything Is On Fire and how despite a season of doubt and deconstruction a stronger, more confident faith is possible when it is grounded in the beauty of Christ. Along the way Brian discusses pilgrimage, contemplation,  and how his journey on the Camino de Santiago inspired the book.

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2:06 - Intro with Steve & Tammy

11:06 - Conversation with Brian begins

13:04 - Brian and Peri share about about pilgrimage

24:26 - Talking all things Camino de Santiago

30:00 - Brian discusses his new book “When Everything is on Fire”

34:46 - Deconstructing and renovating our faith

37:25 - Beauty will Save the World

51:50 - Notre Dame is on Fire

1:02:34 - Christians of the future